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Orjinalden alıntı: Frostbite
"iLounge "A:Highly Recommended"' diyor alet için gerisini siz düşünü"
bunun hiçbir anlamı yok ilounge bir müzik otoritesi değil o kulaklık da bir ipod aksesuarı değil amfi bile kullanılmamış denemede.
Yav zaten kimsenin salladığı yok iLounge'da ki emmiyi.Kendi de kabul ediyor zaten, bu konuda uzman olmadığını.
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amfi ile deneme isteyenler için
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They arrived at my door about 40 minutes ago and have been in my ears for about 30 minutes. I immediately put the custom UM56 tips on them. The first thing I noticed about the E500's is they have a slightly longer barrel than UM2, which makes for a nicer fit with the custom eartips, seems like a more secure seal with them, more comfortable with them as well. I'm using a Sony NW-HD5 and a Larocco PR II amp with OPA627's. I've noticed they're more detailed than UM2, making the UM2 seem almost muddy by comparison. The instrument separation is better. There seems to be a little less bass quantity, but it's a lot tighter and seems maybe even deeper. There doesn't seem to be any hump in the upper bass. Mids seem more apparent than UM2, which was something I was really hoping for. The highs don't sound recessed at all to these ears, especially when compared to UM2. Anyway, I'm sure the sound will improve with burn-in, and keep in mind, these impressions were made with the UM56 tips, and with UM2 I found that they made them sound distinctintly different than any of the stock tips. Anyone who was thinking of getting UM56 tips for these babies, I would recommend setting up an appointment with the audiologist now. The fit of these is even better than with the UM2. I think Shure really outdid themselves with the E500.
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Just a side by side comparison, shape wise the UM2 and the E500 are very similar. The E500 earpieces are lighter than the UM2. The E500 is more round and the fit and comfort are excellent, except that the E500 cables are softer where they touch the ear (sometimes, after long hours, my UM2 cables start to borther a bit where they bend and touch the ear).
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Orjinalden alıntı: Frostbite
"iLounge "A:Highly Recommended"' diyor alet için gerisini siz düşünü"
bunun hiçbir anlamı yok ilounge bir müzik otoritesi değil o kulaklık da bir ipod aksesuarı değil amfi bile kullanılmamış denemede.
resimlerin kaynağı ilounge olduğu için o sitenin ismini kullanmak zorundayım....+ şu ana kadar yazılmış ayrıntılı resimli bir incelemesini bulamadım aletin daha....Sen amfi li bul koy dostum....
< Bu mesaj bu kişi tarafından değiştirildi Shady -- 30 Temmuz 2006; 1:44:30 > -
Koydum ben amfili işte.Okumak isteyenler oradan bakıversin bir zahmet 
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Ne olursa olsun o adam bir ton kulaklık kulanmış,denemiş biri,anlıyor bu işten,kulağı hassas.2 dakikada olsa görüşü önemli.
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Orjinalden alıntı: Mithgor
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I will say by running this 2 minute test
yanlış anlamadıysam 2 dakika kullanmış. 2 dakka dinlemeyle ne kadar anlayabilir ki ?
bence onu en az 10-15 saat kullanması gerek farklı farklı müzik türlerinde. farklı farklı eq ayarlarında. tabi gene farklı farklı playerlerda...
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Biraz daha yorum;
I was very sceptical about the E500. I did not expect to like them. I don't like Shures because they put out too much mid range and not enough highs for my taste, E5 has too much bass for me and it sounds too stiff and not dynamic down there to me.
But when I put the E500s on today, I was blown away! First I was blown away by how comfortable they are. The bigger size actually makes them seat better on me than both the E5 and UM2. The angle on the output tube is closer to right angle I think, which works well for me. The metal plated smooth shell is also very comfortable against my concha, no molded-in logos and sandblast finish to irritate the delicate tissue of your ear. Fit and finish is not quite as beautiful as E4, but you can't see them anyway when you have them in your ear and they are the best feeling universal IEM I have ever stuck into my ear. How can so many drivers be this light?
As for the sound, I was blown away by that too! I guess it helps them that I was listening to my super.fi 5 Pro for about an hour before I swapped to the E500, but everything just sounded "right." More "right" than 5 Pro for sure. The highs sound very similar to E4, but smoother. Full and detailed. I don't find it to be rolled off too much to be unacceptable, but I still prefer Etymotic highs. The lows were very tight, dynamic, extends pretty deep down, and most importantly not bloated. Definitely not what I expected from 2 bass drivers. I expected total bloatedness out of proportion but this is not the case. Seems to have a more restrained bass than both 5 Pro and UM2 but I can't say for sure yet. Definitely tighter than both down there, yet not "stiff" like E5. Unlike the rest of the Shure line and the other multi-driver universal IEMs, the mids are not bloated either. Very natural and smooth mids. I think the crossover and the balancing of the drivers are very well done on the E500. Down side of the sound? They definitely sound better without the PTH unit. One gripe only (so far) about the sound of the E500 (minus the PTH), is that soundstage is not spectacular. Everything sounds very close to me, which is good in a way that all the instruments are balanced quite well and the closeness equates to being able to hear fine details unlike most multi-driver universal IEMs (although not as good as any Etymotic, although I am able to say better than E4).
Not so impressed by the PTH, which is very cumbersome and has a mic separate from the unit itself, yet the mic is not in the earpieces where I feel they belong. So you get lumps and lumps of stuff along the cable between your ears and your source. And each of the plugs are huge themselves. Let's see, starting from the source, you get a straight plug that is a bit more than an inch long, it scares me a bit because I can imagine leaning on it a bit too hard and cracking my ipod 5G, with that jack on that dangerous angle. Then up stream you get that huge PTH thing, which looks like a Japanese Samurai Fighting Beetle with no legs, almost the size of an iPod Nano, and almost 3 times the thickness. Go upstream from there you get the mic unit, which is a a bit longer than 2". With or without the shirt clip, it is going to be banging around on your shirt. If you walk while using the PTH you will not be able to avoid the microphonics (amplified by the PTH, I might add), unless you hold it in your hand to dampen it. Connected to that mic unit, there is a plug that connects to the E500 earpieces themselves, and that is another HUGE one. A smaller fighting beetle this time. Too much! Too clunky. Everything upstream from that I am happy with, which is just standard black Shure wire leading up to the earpieces.
About the PTH sound, I have auditioned the Sensaphonics 3D Ambient and was dumbfoundedly impressed by it to the point that probably anything less will seem unimpressive to me, but here is what the Shure PTH lacks that the 3D Ambient has (yes I know, 3D Ambient costs over 3 times the price of E500). 3D Ambient has 2 mics per earpiece, on the earpieces themselves. What this does is that they pick up sound exactly as you hear them, much more accurately than even binaural recording because not only do you have the ability to distinguish left and right due to mics in the left ear and right ear, but you also can distinguish front and rear on the 3D Ambient. Essentially you have front right, front left, rear right, rear left mics, and the panning across these mics gives you accurate directions and distances. On the Shure PTH, nothing. Flat. No soundstage, no nothing. On the 3D Ambient I was stunned that I can close my eyes and listen to someone speak while walking around and be able to tell exactly where he/she is and at what distance from me. On PTH, backgound music coming from ceiling-mounted speakers, sounds of peoples' thighs slapping against their plastic bags over 10ft way, and the voice of the cashier in front of me at the convenience store are squashed together as if they were being picked up, in mono, from one mic (because they are!). No directions, no distances. Very unnatural and very difficult to understand speech. A bit shy in low end so you won't even know if Barry White is speaking to you. Also, you cannot adjust the mix of ambient sound and music. There is a cheap roller pot volume adjuster on the PTH unit that allows you to only adjust the volume of the ambient sound picked up by the mic. The music goes WAY down when PTH is on, to an almost inaudible level. On 3D Ambient you can mix both together because there is a mixer with individual level adjustments built into the belt pack.
I don't have a UE-10, but as soon as the E500 is nicely burnt-in, I can compare it to the Sensaphonics 2XS. For now though, the E500 is definitely a worthy opponent for all the top end custom IEMs, I am sure. Nothing else to compare them with because none of the universals come close, and I've heard/own them all. For audiophiles, dump the PTH, install your eartip of choice, and you are good to go.
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Orjinalden alıntı: eozen81
Ben sadece Ohara diyorum
Alet işitme engelliler için olan kulak içi işitme cihazı mübarek
koptum ya super 
he buarada +1500
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Biraz ayrıntılı bir inceleme;
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So this is by far my most focused and detailed review. I was basically taking notes as I listened. I hope I don't miss anything, and if I do, I hope to catch it before I submit.
Anyway, the equipment used:
e500's of course
iAudio X5 60gig DAP
Rio Karma 20gig DAP
Sony MZ-NH1 HiMD Recorder
Sony MZ-R50 SP Recorder
Music Hall 25.2 CD Deck
Xin SuperMacro 3V6 headphone amp
I attempted to play a variety of musical styles
iAudio x5 (Rockbox 072906)
Traveling Without Moving - Jamiroquai
Doowutchyalike - Digital Underground
The Wait - Metallica
God - Tori Amos
spOOL-Queensryche
Rio Karma
Nothing Can Come Between Us - Sade
Super Bon Bon - Soul Coughing
Drawn to the Rhythm (live) - Sarah McLachlan
Hot Shot - Shaggy
Galvanize - Chemical Brothers
Sony MZ-NH1
Little Green Bag - George Baker
I Gotcha - Joe Tex
Next To You - Hurricane
It’s Over - Candy Dulfer
Sony MZ-R50
Temptation Serenade (Bombasic Remix) - Thrill Kill Kult
Are You Down With It - Handsome Boys Modeling School
The World’s Gone Mad - Handsome Boys….
The Things I Do For You - Jacksons
Music Hall cd25.2 CD Deck
Crazy (along with the rest of the CD) - Gnarls Barkley
Incense and Candles (with more 3121) - Prince
Over My Head - King's X
Blowback - Tricky
Del the funky homosapien - Both Sides of the Brain
The mp3's used were ripped with EAC v0.9 beta 4 and compressed with LAME 3.90.3 using Alt.Preset.Standard
The minidisc's were recorded in SP format via optical cable
I found myself getting defocused now and again, getting caught up in an A/B comparison, either between the e500's and my SuperFi 5 Pro's, or the different audio players. Taking the time for a solid review takes time!
Anyway, I digress. The e500 has a very tight bass...very punchy and not bloated at all. The mids are definitely upfront and closer. Vocals are literally in your lap! I also found the sound separation to be fantastic. The musical instruments and vocals seem to be almost isolated from everything else and connected to all the other instruments, all at the same time.
To me, the highs have a nice detail without being too shrilly. They complement the midrange nicely. I love how 3-dimensional the soundtage is – you hear instruments and vox ‘higher and lower’ as well as closer/further apart and even in front or behind.
As clear as everything is unamped, there’s even more clarity with the e500's amped……the e500 get subtly juiced across the board (highs mids and lows) when you throw an amp into the mix – like sf5p’s you don’t need an amp to really enjoy them, but the amp does increase sq a bit. I also found the amp to add a sense of fullness to the e500's.
I can't tell which came first, the chicken or the egg. The sound separation adds to the musical detail, and the detail adds to the separation! I feel like I’m 8 feet from the stage.
The Percussion comes to life with precision. Lars is phenomenal with these! I also notice how clear and direct vocalists are; from Tori to Geoff Tate to MeShell ‘Ndegeocello to James Hetfield, you’re hearing these voices for the first time again.
Like I said earlier, it was hard for to not get lost in comparing players. I found that Rio’s sound isn’t as low as the X5, R50 nor the NH1. It's not a bad synergy, it just takes some getting used to, especially right after hearing a different player. When I amp the Rio, it brings the lows into play a bit stronger. There's some very strong detail with the highs….I can hear the strings being plucked/picked…..echoes are accentuated.
The e500’s have a very interesting synergy with the nh1 compared to the x5 and the Karma…..it actually took a couple of discs to get used to the sound (not to mention to switch to the line-out for the amp)…. To Me, Candy Dulfer usually sounded thin…not in a bad way, but the way that some of the r&b sounded in the late 80s to mid 90s (read; Johnny gill, Guy, Ralph Tresvant, etc) – this isn’t the case with the e500’s. Candy’s jazz is fuller and richer than I’ve ever heard….I feel this is how it’s supposed to sound; smooth warm and funky. The NH1 seems to benefit the most out of all 3 units so far with the e500's. SQ-wise, the nh-1/SM3V6/e500 setup is the best. Don’t get me wrong, the e500’s still have a pristine sound directly with the nh1, I can just see someone taking the time to setup that combo for awesome sound. The R50 is more akin to the x5 and Karma when it comes to amp usage, you can hear a fuller sound, but the R50/e500 combo is killer alone…
The e500’s sound fantastic directly connected to any player, but using an amp did offer a noticeable bump in sq. They're comparable to the SuperFi 5 Pro's in that they definitely do not need an amp, but the e500's do improve a bit more with some more juice
The soundstage is unlike anything I’ve really heard, esp. with earbuds/iem’s. It really is 3-dimensional and you feel like music is coming at you from all angles/directions/speeds.
Ear fatigue is impressive since most iem’s start to fatigue after a couple of hours. I’ve been wearing these for about 5-6 hours with about 3 15-20 minute breaks. No problems whatsoever…
The PTH technology allows a microphone to pickup ambient sounds. This means I don’t have to take them out of my ears to listen to someone. It’s kinda cute, but nothing really impressive. I use it, but I don’t rely on it by any stretch.
This took longer than I thought, but it was a blast playing around with my gear again! I have to say that if you're interested in some higher end iem's, the Shure e500’s do come highly recommended.
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E500'ün yanında gelen aparat nedir acaba arkadaşlar? -
PTH(Bas ki duyasın) ünitesi,IEMlerde dışarıdan hiç gelmediği ve biriyle konuşmak istediğinizde tak çıkarın zor olması nedeniye Shure'un geliştirdiği teknoloji.O üniteyi bağlayıp aktif hale getirince dışarıdan gelen sesleri duyabiliyorsun,bir nevi mikrofon görevi görüyor. -
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Orjinalden alıntı: soundchaser
PTH(Bas ki duyasın) ünitesi,IEMlerde dışarıdan hiç gelmediği ve biriyle konuşmak istediğinizde tak çıkarın zor olması nedeniye Shure'un geliştirdiği teknoloji.O üniteyi bağlayıp aktif hale getirince dışarıdan gelen sesleri duyabiliyorsun,bir nevi mikrofon görevi görüyor.
bence gerekli birşey özellikle dışardayken gerekebilir... -
Zaten amaçta o,tam adam gibi kulaklıkları oturtmuşken,çıkarması tam bir işkence.Yaptıkları cihaz ya da icat işe yarayacak.Tam olarak ses sinyalini etkileyip etkilemediği ortaya çıkınca
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Orjinalden alıntı: soundchaser
Zaten amaçta o,tam adam gibi kulaklıkları oturtmuşken,çıkarması tam bir işkence.Yaptıkları cihaz ya da icat işe yarayacak.Tam olarak ses sinyalini etkileyip etkilemediği ortaya çıkınca
baktımda ayrı olarak satılırsa bence diğer kullanıcılarda alır...E500'e özel olarak gözükmüyor girişleri çıkışları... -
Değil zaten bütün IEM'ler ile uyumlu.Ayrı olarakta satılıyor 59$ cık
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Orjinalden alıntı: soundchaser
Değil zaten bütün IEM'ler ile uyumlu.Ayrı olarakta satılıyor 59$ cık
off neymiş o fiyat ama e500-e5c-e4c alan onuda alır yani...Ama bence gerçekten gerekli yoksa dışarda falan çok iem (10 dblik izolasyon yapanlar hariç) kötü oluyor...çevrenle irtibatı tamamen kesiyor ve bu dışarda iken bir tehlike oluşturuyor.özellikle arabaların bol olduğu yerlerde.. -
Yok hiçte kötü olmuyor,sen gerçek IEM kullandın mı shady?Ben kullanıyorum gayette memnunum biraz dikkatli olduktan sonra hiçbir tehlikeli yanı yok Sırf yol gürültülerinden bile izole olup sadece müziğini dinleyebilmek ayır güzel bir duygu.Sadece müziğe konsantre oluyorsun
Eğer o gün dalgınsan keyfin yoksa işte o zaman gayet tehlikeli En ufak bir dalgınlıkta arabanın önünde bulursun valla kendini
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Bana göre bu kulaklığa mp3 çalar az gelir,stüdyomuz olacak ki referans monitörü olarak kullanalım...
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