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Vezir'e,
Konu dağılmasın, petrol krizi nerede, Tanrı'nın ontolojik hakimiyeti nerede..
Devam ediniz, takipteyiz..
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Of the 65 largest oil producing countries in the world, up to 54 have passed their peak of production and are now in decline, including the USA in 1970, Indonesia in 1997, Australia in 2000, the UK in 1999, Norway in 2001, and Mexico in 2004. Hubbert's methods, as well as other methodologies, have been used to make various projections about the global oil peak, with results ranging from 'already peaked', to the more optimistic 2035. Many of the official sources of data used to model oil peak such as OPEC figures, oil company reports, and the USGS discovery projections, upon which the international energy agencies base their own reports, can be shown to be frighteningly unreliable. In November 2009, the International Energy Agency's World Economic Outlook report stated that oil and gas liquids were not expected to peak until 2030, at significantly higher levels than today, however this was met by rebukes from internal whistleblowers who argued that the figures are more political than scientific.
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In October 2009, a report published by the Government-supported UK Energy Research Centre, following 'a review of over 500 studies, analysis of industry databases and comparison of global supply forecasts', concluded that 'a peak in conventional oil production before 2030 appears likely and there is a significant risk of a peak before 2020'.[18] The authors believe this forecast to be valid 'despite the large uncertainties in the available data'.[19] The study was claimed to be the first to undertake an 'independent, thorough and systematic review of the evidence and arguments in the 'peak oil’ debate'.[20] The authors noted that 'forecasts that delay a peak in conventional oil production until after 2030 are at best optimistic and at worst implausible' and warn of the risk that 'rising oil prices will encourage the rapid development of carbon-intensive alternatives that will make it difficult or impossible to prevent dangerous climate change[20] and that 'early investment in low-carbon alternatives to conventional oil is of considerable importance' in avoiding this scenario.[21
ülkelere göre oil peak incelemesi şu şekilde
The following list shows significant oil-producing nations and their approximate peak oil production years.[51]
Angola (disputed): 2010[22]
Australia: 2000[22]
China (disputed): 2009[22]
Egypt: 1987[52]
France: 1988
Germany: 1966
Iran: 1974
Indonesia: 1991[53]
Japan: 1932[citation needed]
Libya: 1970 (disputed)[22]
Mexico: 2003
New Zealand: 1997[54]
Nigeria: 1979
Norway: 2000[55]
Oman: 2000[56]
Russia (disputed): 1987; 2009[22]
Syria: 1996[57]
Tobago: 1981[58]
UK: 1999
USA: 1970[59]
Venezuela: 1970
Peak oil production has not been reached in the following nations (and is estimated in a 2010 Kuwait University study to occur in the following years)
Algeria: 2012
Azerbaijan: 2013
India: 2015
Iraq: 2036
Kazakhstan: 2020
Kuwait: 2033
Saudi Arabia: 2027
Qatar: 2019
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Ya arkadaş daha gluonların çalışma prensibini açıkla desem apışır kalırsın oturmuş Allah'ı mı tartışıyorsun? Hani yanlışlanamaz/doğrulanamazdı? Kendi kendiyle bu kadar çelişir mi insan ?
Çocuk gibisin :) Ben niye sana gluon anlatayım? Konu o mu? Sana neutrinoları anlatamazsın diyor muyum? Yanlışlanamayan doğrulanamayan şeyleri de kafana takma, daha mevzudan haberin olmadığı meydana çıktı, motoru fazla yorma derim:)
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Zaman dediğin zımbırtı göreli ve yaşadığımız evrene aittir. Efendim iki olasılık varmış da
Ne oldu saçma olduğunu gösterince tepen atmış :) İnandığın Tanrı'nın mutlak güçte ve tavırda olduğunu kabul edince saçmalıklar ortaya çıkıyor.
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Zaman dediğin zımbırtı göreli ve yaşadığımız evrene aittir. Efendim iki olasılık varmış da. Sen önce ışığı kütleye çevirme işini bi anlat da dinleyelim, sonra oturur bakarız. Her iş bitti leylek kaldı.
Hani sen dedin ya " Kütlesi olmayan bi "şey" kütlesi olan başka "şey" i etkiliyor. Şimdi ışıkla uğraşan fizikçiler madde ile mi uğraşıyorlar?"
Ben de ona cevaben E=mc2 dedim, kapak gibi cevap işte ayrıntıya ne gerek var. Işıkla uğraşan fizikçiler madde ile eşdeğer olan enerji ile uğraşıyorlar E=mc2 gereği. Sen enerjiyi metafizik bi şey sanıyon herhalde.
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Niye zamandan münezzehse bir şey yaratamasın?
Zamandan münezzeh olan bi varlık eylemde bulunabilir mi? Eylem, fiil gibi "şeyler" zamansız olmaz.
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Anlayamadığın bir şey anlayamadığın bir şeydir. Sen anlayamıyorsun diye saçma mı oluyor?
Bu benim anlayışım veya anlamayışımla ilgili değil ki, inandığın Tanrı absürt. Şey gibi, dört köşeli üçgen :) Tanrının tanımında sakatlık var. Anlaşılmayacak bi şey yok yani..
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Bir programın çalışması için CPU su, RAMi olan bir bilgisayar, bir programcı ve elektrik gereklidir. 1 komut eksikse program çalışmaz. Programın tam olması çalışmanın önşartıdır ancak yeterli değildir. elektrik kesilirse program gümler, elektrik vardır bilgisayar bozulur program gümler. Virüs girer program gümler vs.vs. Programın tam olarak çalışması tüm koşulların yerli yerinde olduğunu gösterir. Evrenin devinimine devam etmesini nasıl açıklıyorsun bilmiyorum ama ben bilimsel olarak açıklayamam. Açıklayabilen de yok.
Evrenin devinimine devam etmesi için evren dışı akıllı bi varlık varsaymak mantıksal olarak zorunlu değil. Fiziksel olarak bunu göstermek de mümkün değil zira gözlem alanı dışında. Evren ötesi veya adına ne dersen de, o bölge aşkındır, transcendent'tir.
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Yaratmış hali/yaratmamış hali nedir? Bunu nasıl tartışacağız?
Soru sormak yerine cevaplayaydın:) Şöyle tartışabiliriz: Mesela Tanrı evreni belli bi zamanda (yaklaşık 15-18 milyar yıl önce) yarattı di mi? Takdir edersin ki evet yarattı, dinler de bunu söylüyor. Mutlak olan Tanrı evreni yarattığına göre evren hudustur, yani "Tanrı'dan sonra gelen" varlığı zorunlu olmayan (mümkün) sonradan ortaya çıkmış bi varlıktır (Gazzali). Peki Tanrı'nın evreni yaratmadan önceki durumu neyin nesi oluyor? Hani Tanrı mutlak, evren hudus (göreli, sonradan) idi? Tanrı ile evren aynı anda var olmalılar ya da sonsuzdan beri birlikte var olmalılar ki Tanrı'nın tanımıyla ilgili bu çelişki giderilsin. Çünkü Tanrı evreni yarattığı anda "henüz evren sahibi olmamış Tanrı" değişerek "evren sahibi Tanrı"ya dönüşmüş olacak. Ve bu da Tanrı'nın mutlaklığına halel getirecektir.
Absürtlükten kurtulmanın iki yolu var;
1. Tanrı evrenle birlikte vardı, evreni yaratmadı (ikisi de varlık sahnesinde eşit).
2. Tanrı mutlak değil, evren gibi mümkün varlık.
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Termodinamiğin temel yasası enerjinin korunumudur. Hiç bir şey vardan yok/yoktan var olmaz. Gerçekten öyle mi? Yokluk nedir/ sonsuzluk nedir?
Tabii ki öyle değil. Yoktan var olmak mantıksal olarak olanaklıdır. Fiziken olanaklı olup olmadığını bilemeyiz. Termodinamik yasaları ekstrapolasyon ve doğrulama ile elde edilmiştir. Deney ve gözlemler hep aynı sonucu verdiği için güvenilir bulunup "eğer evren kapalı bi sistemse herhalde evrenin tamamında bu yasalar böyledir" denir. Bu "vardan yok, yoktan var olmaz" deyişi bir tümevarım, bir a posteriori bilgidir. Mutlak gerçeklik değildir. Bi çok fizikçi evrenin başlangıç koşullarında bu yasaların işlemediği durumların var olduğu konusunda hemfikir. Mantık da bunu gerektirir zaten. Enerji ve madde "yoktan var olmaz vardan yok olmaz" magazin ağzıdır, bilimi maeryalizme veya başka ideolojilere alet etme sevdasının dışa vurumudur. Feynman gibi ustalar böyle demez mesela.
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akıl dışı metaforlar
Pastelesene hangileriymiş merak ettim:)
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Bahsettiğim sorular ve çelişkilerle ilgili bir tane açıklaman yok
Pastele, bunları da merak ettim..
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Bilmiyorum demek niye bu kadar zor? Niye her şeyi bilmek zorunda hissediyorsunuz kendinizi?
Hangi konuda biliyoruz demişiz? :)
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Sonsuzluk kavramını çözdün herhalde. Bana da anlatsana bir ara çünkü ben tam anlayamıyorum.
Çözmedim, öyle de kibrim yoktur:)
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Not: Boşver sen Surelerle uğraşmayı. Güneşin yörüngede dönmediğini iddia eden filim adamlarının hepsi bi kaç yüzyıl önce nalları dikti, yakında tanrınız Hawking de dikecek ama Dünya da, Güneş de hurma dalı gibi kıvrımlı yörüngelerinde dönüp duruyor. Alem dönüyor siz duruyorsunuz, dönenle dalga geçiyorsunuz.
Çarpıtma, dönenle dalga geçmiyoruz:) Ayetlere gereğinden fazla ontolojik açıklama yüklemenizi saçma buluyoruz. Peygamber olmaya gerek yok, sıradan bi arabın gözlemi ile bulunabilecek bi tarif bu.
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Sen 1000 yıl önce yok dönmüyorlar diyordun, bugün dönüyorlar diyorsun.
İftira:)
< Bu mesaj bu kişi tarafından değiştirildi Clausewitz -- 23 Ocak 2013; 19:59:25 >
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Algeria: 2012
Azerbaijan: 2013
India: 2015
Iraq: 2036
Kazakhstan: 2020
Kuwait: 2033
Saudi Arabia: 2027
Qatar: 2019
yukarıdaki peak oil tarihlerinideki tahminler aşağı yukarı doğru ise bu önümüzdeki problemli olabilecek bölgeleri ve siyasi yansımalarını da gösterebileceğinin altını çizerim.
En uzun süre Irak sonra Kuwait sonra arabistan,sonra kazakistan.
Tabii ki üretim kapasiteleri birbirinden çok farklı olanları aynı kefeye koymak doğru olmaz AMMA,
Arabistan yarımadasının bundan sonraki 25 yıllık kaderi için sıkı denetim anlamına gelmektedir. Arap krallığı , üretim miktarı ve süresini denetlemede gerekli ustalık ve siyasal beceriyi gösterebilir ise bir şekilde mevcudiyetini sürdürebilir. Ancak çevresindeki kıskacı zamanında farkedemez ve eski tas eski hamam zannediyorsa yakında krallık sona erip işgal kaçınılmaz çekilde başlayabilir. Kazakları bu değerlendirmenin başka bir yerine koymak lazım rusların hegomanyasından kurtulmaları oldukça zordur , Ancak bölgedeki ilk müdahalenin Kuveyt nedeniyle yapılması da bir entrikalar zincirinin sonucu olsa gerek. Yani 20 yıldan(1991, 1. körfez müdehalesi) fazla zaman geçince anlaşılabileceği gibi bölgesinin en çok petrolü olan koca Irak , neden daha fallası için tüm ülkesini riske etsin .Evet aptallık kafada olur ancak konunun kişisel hırs veya bölgenin hükümdarlığı için olabilceğini hiç sanmıyorum.Böyle olsa idi aynı durum sudiler için de geçerli olurdu.
Konu aslında tam bir komplo değirmeni , nereye çekilirse o tarafa gidebilecek türden
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Yani arkadaş hakikaten komedyenlik genlerinde var senin. Gerçi hokkabaz olduğunu da kabul ettin zaten, neyse…
Önce dini konular yanlışlanamaz/doğrulanamaz dedin. Sonra daha sayfa bitmeden kendince yanlışladın. Bizim tanrı kavramımızı mantık temeline oturtmalar, fiil varsa zaman da olmalıdır önermeleri falan…
Peki fiil olup da fail olmuyor da (bkz. Yüzüme çarpan dalgalar), fiil olup zaman zinhar olmaz nasıl oluyor?
Bir taraftan garajdaki ejderhadan, uçan çaydanlıklardan falan bahsedip yanlışlanamayacağını iddia ediyorsun –Dikkat buyurun ben etmiyorum, bu bilimsel arkadaş ediyor.- bir taraftan Allah’ın mutlakiyetini çürütüyorsun. Büyük adamsın vesselam .
Bir teoriyi –mabaddan uydurma-dan ayıran en önemli husus, ortaya konulup çok sayıda deneyle doğrulanmasıdır. En azından yanlışlanamamasıdır. “Dünyanın çevresinde uçan bir çaydanlık yoktur” cümlesinin kanıtını isteyecek adam var mıdır?
Dikkat et o beğenmediğin sosyal bilimciler Rodin'in heykelinin yanına oturturlar seni sonra hokkabaz.
Ama en güzeli neydi biliyor musunuz sayın seyirciler? Bu bilime gönü vermiş arkadaşın önce sosyal bilimcileri bir kalemde bilimin dışına itmesi… yetmedi Termodinamiğin en temel kanununu da çöpe attı. Gideyim termo kitaplarımı yakayım bari.
Bi Dakka! Ben bilim dışı değil miydim yahu? Nooldu iki dakkada sattın tanrılarını? Hani metafiziksel saçmalıkları bilimin yani mutlak doğruyu gösteren toteminin içine sokmayacaktık?
Başta ben dedim zaten bilim zamanla değişir, mutlak değildir diye. Şimdi kalkmış aynısını bana söylüyorsun. Şimdi bu neyin kafası ?
Peki hokkabaz arkadaş şunu niye sildin ?
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Orijinalden alıntı: Clausewitz
“Tabii ki öyle değil. Yoktan var olmak mantıksal olarak olanaklıdır. Fiziken olanaklı olup olmadığını bilemeyiz. Termodinamik yasaları ekstrapolasyon ve doğrulama ile elde edilmiştir. Deney ve gözlemler hep aynı sonucu verdiği için güvenilir bulunup "eğer evren kapalı bi sistemse herhalde evrenin tamamında bu yasalar böyledir" denir. Bu "vardan yok, yoktan var olmaz" deyişi bir tümevarım, bir a posteriori bilgidir. Mutlak gerçeklik değildir. Bi çok fizikçi evrenin başlangıç koşullarında bu yasaların işlemediği durumların var olduğu konusunda hemfikir. Mantık da bunu gerektirir zaten. Enerji ve madde "yoktan var olmaz vardan yok olmaz" magazin ağzıdır, bilimi maeryalizme veya başka ideolojilere alet etme sevdasının dışa vurumudur. Feynman gibi ustalar böyle demez mesela.”
Çelişkileri sen de fark ettin di mi?
Tümevarım tabii ki mutlak sonuçlar vermez. Kestirilemeyen faktörleri de işin içine katmadan tam sonuç mümkün değil. Zaten bugün bilim adamlarının lineer denklemler yerine, tüm olasılıkları almaya çalışmaları sonucu füturistlik diye bir şey icat oldu. Kapalı kutuda gerçekleştirilen deneyin, evrenle etkileşim ele alındığında gümbürtüye gittiğini artık daha lisede bile öğretiyorlar.
Şu cümlene bayıldım, para versem söylemezdin. Allah söyletti :)
: “Termodinamik yasaları ekstrapolasyon ve doğrulama ile elde edilmiştir. Deney ve gözlemler hep aynı sonucu verdiği için güvenilir bulunup "eğer evren kapalı bi sistemse herhalde evrenin tamamında bu yasalar böyledir" denir. Bu "vardan yok, yoktan var olmaz" deyişi bir tümevarım, bir a posteriori bilgidir. Mutlak gerçeklik değildir.”
Şu; zaman, Allah'ın mutlaklığı ile ilgili yazdıkların da sadece senin algı bozukluğundan kaynaklanıyor kardeş.
Önce/sonra kavramları bizim bildiğimizi zannettiğimiz şeyler. Zaman yine devinim sebebiyle algıladığımız bir boyut. Tüm hareketin durduğunu düşün, elektronların bile. Zaman nedir o durumda ?
Yaratmış tanrı/yaratmamış tanrı 15000 yıl önce vs. bizim dünyamıza, algımıza ait. Sonsuzluk, farklı boyutlar gibi algımız dışındaki kavramları boşver daha basit bir soru sorayım sana;
Mutlak sıfırda, 0 kelvinde tüm hareket dursa ne olur? Çöker mi tüm madde? Ya kütle çekimi? Mesela o durumda çekim olur mu, yoksa evren sadece çöker mi, yoksa sadece donar kalır mı?
Daha bunu bilmiyoruz oturmuş Allah'ın yokluğunu ispat peşindesin.
Bilmiyoruz yav bilmiyoruz işte. Daha Hawking'in kendi .ıçını silmesini sağlayacak tıp bilgisi yok, bırak ölüme çareyi. Oturmuş evrenin oluşumunu tartışıyoruz.
Hangi noktadayız? Söyleyeyim; Filozofların 3000 yıl önce konuştuklarını konuşmaya başladık. Dön baba dönelim, bi arpa boyu yol gittik.
Not: Kardeş, şu cümleyi de baldırı çıplak bedeviler çöle bakıp, hurma dallarını eğip mi bulmuşlar ? Bu da mı gözlem sonucu çıkmış ?
Neml 88: “Sen dağları görürsün de, yerinde durur sanırsın. Oysa onlar bulutun yürümesi gibi yürümektedirler. Bu, her şeyi sapasağlam yapan Allah'ın sanatıdır. Şüphesiz ki O, yaptıklarınızdan tamamıyla haberdardır.”
Ya da sen çok yorma kafanı bunlara, olur öyle ara sıra
< Bu mesaj bu kişi tarafından değiştirildi Ogün® -- 26 Ocak 2013; 19:21:01 >
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Bak üzerine çok kimsenin düşünmediği bir ayrıntı;
Tebbet Suresi'nde Ebu Leheb'i cehennemlik olarak daha yaşarken tasvir etmiş Kur'an. Eğer Ebu Leheb "Tamam inandım" bile deseydi, Kur'an o an çökerdi.
Bu nasıl kumar?
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Orijinalden alıntı: vezir
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"the same conditions do not always produce the same results"
Bu cümle vurucu olmuş. Kaos teorisi de bu noktadan sonra başlıyordu sanırım. Ondan sonra olasılık var mıdır yok mudur tartışması... Atladığım bir yer var mı?
cevabı yazının içinde var. Üzerinde ciid olarak düşünmeden ve araştırmadan sadece okumak bile ACABA sorusunun sorulması için yeterli olmakta.
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We remember the past, we do not remember the future. We have a different kind of awareness about what might happen than we have of what probably has happened. The past and the future look completely different psychologically, with concepts like memory and apparent freedom of will, in the sense that we feel that we can do something to affect the future, but none of us, or very few of us, believe that there is anything we can do to affect the past.
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman
daha detaylı biografisihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman#Caltech_years
Richard Feyman tanımayanlar için bir iki link koymam gerekiyor şahsi düşünceme göre (bilim tarihi kronolojisi)Hawkingden daha değerlidir. Size uzun süre önce bu forumların birinde söylemiştim. Çoklu evren olabilirliği olasılığını hawkingin ilk kitabını okumandan çok önce üniversitedeki fizik prof. ile tartışmış ancak yetersiz cevap ve benim o zamanki bilgi seviyem daha ileri sorguları üretmeme engel olmuştu. sizinle bir yazışmada bundan bahsetmiş ve aklımda yanlış kalmadıysa , alaycı bir ccevap yazmıştınız. Eğer yanlış hatırlıyorsam kusuruma bakmayınız.
http://www.sozler.tv/richard-feynman-sozleri.html
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaman%C4%B1n_K%C4%B1sa_Tarihi:_B%C3%BCy%C3%BCk_Patlamadan_Karadeliklere
Hocam zaman zaman alaycı konuşuyorum ancak uzun süredir sizinle bu tarzda konuşmadım zannediyorum. Öyle hissettiyseniz ben af dilerim sizden.
Kolay gelsin.
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Mesajınız flood koruması tarafından engellenmiştir. Sebebi; 15'ten fazla alıntı yapılamaz. Bunun bir hata olduğunu düşünüyorsanız forum destekten geri bildirimde bulununuz
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Orijinalden alıntı: Clausewitz
Mesajınız flood koruması tarafından engellenmiştir. Sebebi; 15'ten fazla alıntı yapılamaz. Bunun bir hata olduğunu düşünüyorsanız forum destekten geri bildirimde bulununuz -
Tam ne güzel konu diyecektim ama buraya da din, peygamber, allah konularını eklenmiş. Hadi kolay gelsin. -
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2. Artık demedim falan demeden direk söylediğin şeyi kabul ediyorsun ancak bu sefer de beni sevindirmek için
bu saçmalıkları yazdığını söylüyorsun, pişkinliğe pes diyorum.
Şunu demiştim, tık yok:)
Allah'ın mutlakiyetini çürütmedim ki? Allah'ın mutlak olduğu kabul edildiğinde bi dizi saçmalık ortaya çıkıyor dedim. Ya mutlak olmadığı kabul edilecek ya da diğer durum. Yoksa banane tanrınızı saçma sapan kabul etmeniz benim için de hoş olur hani:)
Bak şunlar hala beklemede..
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Soru sormak yerine cevaplayaydın:) Şöyle tartışabiliriz: Mesela Tanrı evreni belli bi zamanda (yaklaşık 15-18 milyar yıl önce) yarattı di mi? Takdir edersin ki evet yarattı, dinler de bunu söylüyor. Mutlak olan Tanrı evreni yarattığına göre evren hudustur, yani "Tanrı'dan sonra gelen" varlığı zorunlu olmayan (mümkün) sonradan ortaya çıkmış bi varlıktır (Gazzali). Peki Tanrı'nın evreni yaratmadan önceki durumu neyin nesi oluyor? Hani Tanrı mutlak, evren hudus (göreli, sonradan) idi? Tanrı ile evren aynı anda var olmalılar ya da sonsuzdan beri birlikte var olmalılar ki Tanrı'nın tanımıyla ilgili bu çelişki giderilsin. Çünkü Tanrı evreni yarattığı anda "henüz evren sahibi olmamış Tanrı" değişerek "evren sahibi Tanrı"ya dönüşmüş olacak. Ve bu da Tanrı'nın mutlaklığına halel getirecektir.
Absürtlükten kurtulmanın iki yolu var;
1. Tanrı evrenle birlikte vardı, evreni yaratmadı (ikisi de varlık sahnesinde eşit).
2. Tanrı mutlak değil, evren gibi mümkün varlık.
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3. Zaman nedir? Eylem nedir? Bi tanımlasana.
Zamanın üzerinde uzlaşılmış ortak tanımı yoktur. Fakat hangi tanım olursa olsun Tanrı'nın Eylemi (Special-General Divine Action) yara alır, sonuç değişmez. Ben yine sana avans vereyim de sen tanımla bakalım neymiş zaman ve eylem, ben yukarıda seni referans alarak yeterince açıkladım.
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Çok şey bildiğini iddia ediyorsun, seni tanımadığımı iddia ediyorsun ancak senin "tür"ünde canlılardan çok tanıdım
Çocuk gibisin, ya da gerçekten öylesin:)
Benim kadar tevazu göstereni zor bulursun, nerede demişim çok şey biliyorum diye? :) Yine bi taraflardan uydurmalar, bilmem neler..
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4. Kur'an seni aşar. Başta bir şeyler biliyorsun zannetmiştim ama hakikaten çapın zannettiğin oranda değil (Bilmiyorum belki öyledir :)
Beni geç, Kuran ve Arapça bilgisine haizim kısmen, okulunda okuduk:) Sen iddialı iddialı ayet yapıştırdın sonra konuyu kapamaya çalışıyorsun yukarıdaki cümleyle:)
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Denizlerde yüce dağlar gibi gemilerin yürümesi de O'nun kudretinin delillerindendir..
O, dilerse rüzgârı durdurur da onlar denizin üstünde durakalırlar. Elbette bunda çok sabreden, çok şükreden herkes için ibretler vardır. Şurâ Süresi 32-33
Mezkûr syeti tevil et bakalım, dıştan bakan biri Tanrı'nın geleceği öngöremediğini ve sadece yelkenlileri hesaba kattığını düşünebilir. Sen ise tevil yoluyla "o zamanki insanlara hitap etmiş" dersin:)
Hani istediğin zaman kipine uydurursun, ilahiyatın temeli budur, tevil, tefsir:)
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5. "Tarih bilimsel değildir ama öyle kabul edilir." cümlesini yazan sen değil misin?
Ben dedim zaten de sildiğimi nereden uydurdun mübarek?:))))
Git bak yukarıda duruyor. Biraz dikkat etmek lazım:)
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Amacınız bilgiye ulaşmak falan da değildir
Ne güzel sorular soruyoruz beğenmiyorsun, daha ne yapalım? :)
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Şüpheci olmak, kafasında soru işareti barındırmak demektir. Senin kafanda soru işareti yok ki, her şeyi biliyorsun! Ama Septik olduğunu iddia ediyorsun. Al sana bi çelişki daha
Tamam işte bi sürü soru sordum daha ne istersin bre gafil :) Herşeyi bildiğimi de iddia etmedim, gün görmemiş yerinden uydurmada pek mahirsin:) Açık ve net yazarım. Herşey kayıt altında. Hatalı yazarsam kabul ederim. Hatalı yerleri tek tek gösterirsin benim yaptığım gibi. Sende o yok, sululuk ve zevzeklik yapıyorsun sadece. Şöyle adam gibi rasyonel cevap vereyim falan yok..
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6. "Kur'an niye Arapça gönderilmiş, Japonca da gönderilmemiş?" veya "Afrikada yaşayan ve Kur'anı hiç görmemiş kabileler Cehenneme giderse bu haksızlık değil mi?" gibi senin gibi sözde septiklerin buldukları engin bilgi birikimi barındıran sorulara ne oldu? Bak yardımcı da oluyorum sana, kıyağımı unutma. Biraz düşünürsen daha sarsıcı, şüpheye düşürücü sorular bulabilirsin :)
Ne deniyordu bu duruma, kendin çal kendin oyna:)
Bi de "kendin pişir kendin ye" var ama o bu duruma uygun değil:)
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Son olarak; Değiştirilemeyen şey Kur'an dır.
Bak sana süper bi soru daha: Değiştirilmediği iddiasını kanıtlamak mümkün müdür? Neye dayanarak değişmedi diyorsun mesela? Bu ciddi bi sorudur ve tarihselcilik bağlamında cevaplayamazsın. Evet, Kuran'ın değişmediğinin kanıtını Kuran'dan sunmayacaksın değil mi? :)
Bi de Tevrat ve İncil neden değiştirildi, senaryo gereği mi?
Nasih Mensuh'a hiç girmeyelim :)
Sen Tebbet Süresi ile ilgili iddialı bi alıntı yaptın, "nasıl kumar" diye.
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Tebbet Suresi'nde Ebu Leheb'i cehennemlik olarak daha yaşarken tasvir etmiş Kur'an. Eğer Ebu Leheb "Tamam inandım" bile deseydi, Kur'an o an çökerdi. Bu nasıl kumar? Öyle mi dersiniz?
Biz de mealen dedik ki "hiç korkma çökmez, zira bu adettendir, İslam Tarihi'nde örnekleri vardır" :))
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Çok daha kısaltacağım yazdıklarımı. Zira ilim isteyene verilir, bu arkadaşta bu talep yok.
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Orijinalden alıntı: Clausewitz
"Allah'ın mutlakiyetini çürütmedim ki? Allah'ın mutlak olduğu kabul edildiğinde bi dizi saçmalık ortaya çıkıyor dedim. Ya mutlak olmadığı kabul edilecek ya da diğer durum"
Çürütmedim deyip aynı cümlede çürütme gayreti...
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Orijinalden alıntı: Clausewitz
Zamanın üzerinde uzlaşılmış ortak tanımı yoktur
Eeee ? Tanımlanamayan bir şey üzerinden ispat...
Ben söyleyeyim; Zaman; hareket, değişim sebebiyle bizim algımız dahilinde olan bir boyuttur. Algı... Gerçeklik...
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Orijinalden alıntı: Clausewitz
Soru sormak yerine cevaplayaydın:) Şöyle tartışabiliriz: Mesela Tanrı evreni belli bi zamanda (yaklaşık 15-18 milyar yıl önce) yarattı di mi? Takdir edersin ki evet yarattı, dinler de bunu söylüyor.
Zaman bizim evrenimizde mevcut. Öncesinde (Buna takılmamalı, insan algısı sonsuzluğu kavrayamaz.) zaman diye bir şey yok. Belki şu anda da yok!
Şu an ne, gelecek ne? geçmiş ne?
Metafiziği geç, fiziğin geldiği noktadan haberdar değil. Gerçi haberi var ama işine geldiği kadarını daha doğrusu beyin kapasitesi dahilindeki kısmını biliyor. O da tam değil.
Neyse debelenmeye devam.
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Orijinalden alıntı: Clausewitz
Beni geç, Kuran ve Arapça bilgisine haizim kısmen, okulunda okuduk:)
Değil.
Tam olduğu bir kısım olsa onu tartışacağım ama o da yok. Sorulara mantıksız cevaplar. Cevapları görmezden gelmeler. Bilgiçlik ama tevazu iddiası. Cahillik ama bilginlik iddiası.
Bunlardan milyarlarcası geldi geçti, adamlar değişti roller aynı.
Ben de imam hatipte okusaydım, ya da TV'de yorum yapanları, ya da ne bileyim İsmail NACAR'ı falan okusam düşman olurdum herhalde bu dine.
Kötü örneklerden, aracılardan dinlemek yerine bilginin kaynağına yönelirse insan aslında "öz"ün kendi içinde, insanda, ruhunda olduğunu anlayacaktır. Bu noktadan sonra onu engelleyecek tüm uyaranları devre dışı bırakıp yalnız kendi içinden gelen sese yönelecektir.
Ağır ağır giden, bir türlü sonuçlanmayan, bir türlü huzur vermeyen hayatının hızlıca düzene girdiğini, suyun dibinden yüzeye çıkan adamın ışığı ve havayı her an daha fazla hissettiği ve yüzeye yöneldiği gibi hızla oraya çıkmaya çalışıp her metrede yüzeye biraz daha yaklaştığını hissederse...
Artık onu kimse engelleyemez.
Fizikle, madde ile uğraşırken ruhu bir kenara atarsa insan... Kendi kendi ile girişim yapar, giderek yörüngesinden savrulur.
Not: Ara ara yazıyorum. Mutlaka yazdıklarıma katılan/katılmayan olacaktır. Konuyu daha fazla dağıtmama adına bu anlamsız tartışmayı kendi açımdan bitiriyorum. Zaten herkesin kendine ait bir düşüncesi vardır ve en doğru düşünce de odur.
Selam
< Bu mesaj bu kişi tarafından değiştirildi Ogün® -- 29 Ocak 2013; 3:17:59 >
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enerji ,evren ve bilinç konuları en çok derinlemesine tartışılan ancak üzerinde tam olarak mutabakata varılmayan konulardır.
Ancak THEORY OF EVERTHING adı altında yeni nesil açıklamalar var. Şahsen benim de daha önce kendime defalarca sormuş olduğum ve okuduklarımdan da yeterli cevap bulamadığım evrenin işleyiş mekanizması ve bilinç ile ilgili oldukça iddialı ve kolayca reddedilemeyecek kapsamda bir teori var. Bilgiyi ben vereyim yorumu sizler yapın. Unutmayalım ki energy adı altında bulacağımız çözümler aslında evrenin bize sundurklarından başka birşey olamayacaktır. Bunun dışı sadece bir hologramdır.
Universal Information Storage Discussion
Basis of universal information storage or memory storage as
presented in the book entitled "Integrated Theory of Intelligence".
Memory, which reflects the storage of information, is not stored in the
hard wiring of the brain as many mind-brain researchers would have us
believe. Certain areas of the brain have been determined to be more
important in the processing of memory than others however it is very
naive to conclude that memory storage occurs anywhere specific within
the brain substance. Those researchers who continue to pursue this
concept are doomed to a lifetime of failure. The Ultimate Theory of
Everything predicts that memory is imprinted in space-time
holographically which allows access to it independent of location within
space or time.
This can be thought of as the warping of space similar to what Einstein
described relative to the way that gravity governs the direction of
celestial bodies, however the image should be visualized as more of a
micro-warping. The fluctuations in texture of this warped space would
likely be many times smaller than the diameter of the smallest atomic
particles. If one were able to visualize the appearance of micro warped
space containing memory it would probably look very much like the
interference pattern recorded on a holographic plate except that it would
be at least four dimensional and constantly changing form. Atomic
particles are held in position appearing to comprise solid objects by this
micro-warped space. The micro-warped space in actuality is comprised
of energy-matter finely and heterogeneously dissolving into the very
fabric of space without any demarcating boundaries. There are no
particles as such in existence that can be divided into smaller particles.
Quarks and electrons are not solid structures but only highly
concentrated focused energy. At the present time there is no way to
evaluate space at the level of this micro-warping. Thus this is a concept
that will be difficult to explore experimentally through science. The
relatively recent invention of superstring theory is approaching this level
where memory storage occurs. Nevertheless there are many reasons to
believe that the holographic storage of memory is an accurate
perception. It allows explanation for virtually all mental events.
There is one property of holography that makes the concept so appealing
relative to applying it to memory and mental events. If the holographic
plate, which stores the information used to reconstruct a three
dimensional image, is broken into many small pieces then the total
image can still be reproduced from any of the fragments. The resolution
of the image will be less distinct (fuzzy) but it will otherwise be the
same as if the entire holographic plate was used in the reconstruction.
Memory storage in space-time would appear to behave in similar
fashion. No matter what fractional volume of space that one is accessing
the information is stored there. The larger volume of space that one is
capable of sampling the more clear is the image. Thus, the larger the
brain and the more intricate the wiring, the more complete is any
thought.
The holographic technique has been described in many articles and
books so won't be dealt with in detail. For those who have a desire to
gain a greater depth of understanding, I would strongly recommend
"The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot. Much of the discussion
that follows is covered in greater depth in that text. It should be
comprehensible to most readers.
A hologram can be produced when a single laser light beam is divided
into two separate beams. The first beam is reflected off the object being
photographed and the second beam is then allowed to collide with the
reflected light beam of the first resulting in an interference pattern that is
recorded on film. The encoded image has a very chaotic non-descript
appearance, which can resemble the surface of the moon with multiple
crater sites. The image has no resemblance to the object that it will be
used to recreate. Again it is important to emphasize that if the
photographic plate is broken into many fragments each can still be used
by itself to recreate the entire three-dimensional object no matter how
small the fragment being used.
The brain functions as if it was accessing a holographic plate with
encoded images. This has been well established in both lower animals
and humans. Karl Lashley surgically removed various portions of rat
brains and submitted them to experimental testing both before and after.
He determined that no matter what portions of their brains he removed
he could not erase their memories. Their motor skills were often
impaired but even with large portions of their brains removed, they
could still find their way through a maze.
Paul Pietsch performed similar experiments on salamanders. In a series
of 700 operations he performed multiple different types of surgical
extractions of brain tissue including flipping, subtraction, and even
mincing, but always when he replaced what was left of their brains their
behavior returned to normal. Humans following removal of sections of
their temporal lobes, which supposedly is very important to memory
function, may also retain normal function.
Other examples could be presented illustrating the holographic operation
of brain function. There are an increasing number of mind-brain
researchers who accept this concept but at present remain in the
minority. Virtually all mental events can be explained by the
holographic model. It would seem that the actual storage of information
occurs more within the space-time arena than the matter-energy (hardwiring)
portion.
Carl Jung became convinced that a collective unconsciousness exists
that all humans contribute to and can access. He concluded that dreams,
hallucinations, myths, and religious visions derived from this collective
unconsciousness. If such an unconsciousness exists, and I believe that it
does, its memory would be holographically recorded in space-time.
Mystics and other individuals who have reported experiencing
omniscient cosmic oneness with the universe, where there is a total loss
of ones individual boundary along with the sense of unity with all life as
well as the perception that one is in complete total unity with the entire
universe, are likely tapping into a larger volume of the space-time
hologram.
Peak Experience/Abraham Maslow Discussion
Examine the relationship to peak experience as defined by Maslow
and how such an experience led to the formulation of "Integrated
Theory of Intelligence" which is also an approach to a "Theory of
Everything".
Abraham Maslow – Defined peak experience in a very specific way.
Led to the formulation of the “Integrated Theory of Intelligence”
which discusses the interrelationship of intelligence-consciousness to
matter-energy and space-time and the evolution of these properties
that define the basic fabric that comprises the universe.
< Bu mesaj bu kişi tarafından değiştirildi vezir -- 29 Ocak 2013; 10:01:32 >
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Peki asıl teory nedir ki herşeye anlamlı bir yanıt bulabilsin. Bunu benim kendi kelimelerimle yazabilmem çok zor ve bir ürü kelime ve anlam hatası olabileceğini düşünerek yazıdan alıntı vermem, bu tür noktalara gitmeden yazının içeriğine yoğunlaşılmasını sağlayacaktır. Herşeyin Teorisi nedir ???
Theory of Everything
Examines current concepts relating matter-energy to space-time
and the fundamental forces of nature as physicists are currently
attempting to do; however, also interrelates intelligence-
consciousness to this formulation.
The "Theory of Everything" is a term originally coined by physicists to
imply a general theory that beautifully and simplistically unites all
current knowledge of our physical reality under one holistic description.
It would merge understanding of all the known physical forces which
seem to define our universal physical reality, as well as all objects
contained within, extending to its outer limit. There are those physicists
and cosmologists who believe this might even be achieved within the
next generation. Some have devoted their professional lives to the
attainment of this objective. Einstein devoted the later part of his career
toward this end without success. There are those physicists who are
developing superstring theory that believe a Grand Unification Theory is
currently being formulated.
Do the odds favor the required breakthroughs in insight for this goal to
be achieved? The answer is probably yes if this theory ignores the most
obvious and important part of our existence, that being the presence of
intelligence and consciousness which are the most active ingredients
comprising mind. However, if the latter is not included within the
framework of this theory then I contend that whatever theory evolves
should not be entitled to be referred to by that name. At most it might be
called the "Physical Theory of Everything". To be complete a theory of
everything must not omit any facet of our perceived reality. I believe
that what is being presented will begin the framework for a complete
and comprehensive theory encompassing both our physical and mental
reality. Such a theory would have to deal with the presence of mind,
thoughts and feelings and whatever part they play in the grand scheme
of things. Many will challenge this work as an impossible task however
I would respectfully suggest that it is not only possible but that the
following text represents a strong foundation that interrelates all known
concepts of our reality.
The theory requires the acceptance of certain basic assumptions. There
is strong scientific evidence to support most of them. These assumptions
will be stated early in the discussion. If one is uncomfortable with the
assumptions then they will in all probability be uncomfortable with the
theories conclusions. This is the only text that I have become aware of
that attempts to integrate all facets of our existence into one all-inclusive
theory. This claim cannot be made if certain concepts, which have
traditionally been categorized as spiritual, are excluded. By interrelating
scientific, philosophical and spiritual concepts a rather complete model
begins to emerge that integrates all facets of our existence.
The completion of this theory will ultimately await the mathematical
description, which will best be provided by physicists as they eventually
fill in the details. This transcends my ability as a non-physicist with
limited mathematical skills. Nevertheless it is my belief that my current
understanding of both physics and mathematics is sufficient to present
the following theory which will include: (a) description of the origin of
the universe, (b) give greater understanding to the concept of gravity and
how it operates, (c) relate the concept of a superforce that was probably
present in the early moments of our universe which then evolved into
our currently recognized physical forces, (d) discuss the principal of
holographic distribution of information throughout all of space, ( e)
include other concepts usually confined to the domain of the physicist. I
would ordinarily leave the responsibility of presenting a theory of
everything to the physicist, however there is little doubt that it would not
include the relationship that mind and other mental constructs have to
matter-energy and space-time by ignoring the presence of intelligence-
consciousness.
The theory will also advance the concept that the universe began as one
single basic homogeneous substance with divergent properties, which
allowed it to evolve into its present form with the apparent distinct
entities that we recognize seemingly separately as matter-energy, spacetime
and intelligence-consciousness.
The theory will be so bold as to suggest the presence of a creative force,
which was and is one of the properties of the basic substance that
permeates the universe. Most scientists would choose to deny such an
entity, not so much because of disbelief, but rather because there is no
way to currently test such a belief. It cannot be measured therefore it
must not be considered scientific. It is my understanding that most
scientists have some belief in a higher power that transcends science but
so far have found no way to incorporate this concept into our physical
reality. There is currently no known way to measure the presence of
consciousness. Tests that have been devised to ascertain the level of
human intelligence are crude at best. The presence of animal intelligence
and consciousness has been largely ignored. The best that science has
been able to achieve in the study of intelligence-consciousness is to
suggest that it represents an epiphenomenon arising from the electrochemical
events, which are continuously occurring within the brain. This
theory concludes otherwise and predicts that intelligence-consciousness
will in time be recognized as being primary and not a secondary
occurrence. Its presence was proactive in the development of the
universe's current state of complex evolution and was present at its
beginning.
It is my contention that there are compelling reasons to admit to the
existence of a creative force. I will submit a way to test for the presence
of such a force. I believe that the test is already in progress and only
needs to be recognized and interpreted. It is based upon Newton's
second law," F=ma". This one concept is arguably the most important
question we as humans might care to answer other than what, if
anything, awaits each of us following death. By now there must be
raised eyebrows because of the apparent audaciousness of such a
seemingly incredible claim. Please keep an open mind and follow with
me.
When the “Integrated Theory of Intelligence” was first written it was
considered to represent an outline of an essentially complete world view.
The author was not aware of the term “Theory of Everything” at the
time. Since then a further attempt is being made to blend the information
contained within “Integrated Theory of Intelligence” with that being
developed by the physics community. It is the author’s opinion that any
“Theory of Everything”, eventually presented must be largely based
upon a physical description of the universe as being developed by
physicists and now cosmologists. So far, however, both disciplines have
generally failed to incorporate the concepts of consciousness and
intelligence into their theories preferring to subjugate them to the status
of an epiphenomenon. It is my very strong belief that any theory will fail
that doesn’t incorporate the concept of intelligence-consciousness as one
of its primary ingredients of the universe.
The “Theory of Everything” that I am presently working on is based
upon the premise that there is one basic substance that permeates our
universe, which manifests the properties of matter-energy, space-time,
and intelligence-consciousness. These ingredients are completely
interrelated and interdependent. I would suggest the acronym
“MESTIC” (matter-energy-space-time-intelligence-consciousness) as a
word to refer to this basic substance. If one is more spiritually oriented,
one might substitute the last letter in the word energy (y) for the first
letter (e) and produce the word “MYSTIC”. Since the author sees
himself as a spiritually oriented scientist he favors the latter spelling.
Whether one develops a worldview or Theory of Everything based upon
quantum mechanics and general relativity, superstring theory or any
other competing concept, the Integrated Theory of Everything works
with all of them equally well.
Even though the Integrated Theory of Intelligence could act as a
foundation for a Theory of Everything, it ultimately will require a
completed mathematical formulation developed by physicists and
cosmologists liberally borrowing from all other physical and biological
sciences. All fields must ultimately fit under the umbrella of the
completed theory.
Currently there are some scientists who are suggesting that
“information” must be considered as one of the basic ingredients
comprising our universe along with matter-energy and space-time. This
has developed since the original formulation of the Integrated Theory of
Intelligence in 1984. This comes yet one step closer to recognizing that
our current physical description is incomplete and that there is more to
our universe than just matter-energy and space-time.
In Chapter Four I differentiate between the terms “Information” and
“Intelligence”, and state that:
Intelligence = (Information + Consciousness)
Or
Information = (Intelligence – Consciousness)
In other words, the term “Intelligence” implies the presence of an active
ingredient, and the term “Information” implies a more sterile, inactive
entity. In either case the mathematical relationships that are suggested in
the Integrated Theory of Intelligence relating “Intelligence” to matter,
energy, space, and time work equally well if the word “Information” is
substituted.
If one is convinced that there is no higher power and that consciousness
is simply an epiphenomenon created by the electrochemical events,
which are occurring within the brain, then one could still use the
acronym “MESTI” (matter-energy-space-time-information).
It is my strong belief that trying to plug the hole in a Theory of
Everything using only “information” as the added ingredient will still
ultimately fail. I again respectfully suggest that it will eventually be
recognized that there is one basic ingredient that comprises our universe
and it has the properties of matter-energy, space-time, and intelligence-
consciousness.
Before dealing with specifics of the theory it is important to state any
assumptions that are being made. If any of these are proven erroneous
then the theory would require modification. Most of the assumptions
would appear to be based upon relatively strong scientific evidence.
They are listed as follows:
A. The universe began as the" Big Bang" theory suggests
approximately thirteen plus or minus five billion years ago and
has been in an expansionary state ever since, and will continue to
do so for an indefinite extended period of time well into the
future. Work in progress is trying to determine whether this
represents a cyclical process with repeated expansionary and
contraction states (closed universe) or whether this is a one time
phenomenon with a continuous expansion without end (open
universe). The current theory being discussed is comfortable with
either alternative.
B. The moment prior to the Big Bang a singularity or near
singularity state was in existence that was comprised of a
homogenous extraordinarily highly energized undifferentiated
substance confined to an extraordinary small volume of space
without any recognizable form but with the inherent potential to
evolve into the complex systems that we currently observe around
us.
C. Physics, as we understand it, would apply to the entire universe
and not be limited to any geographical location. There are also
certain predictions, which the theory postulates some of which go
beyond what science can currently measure or otherwise
determine. In time most if not all should be verifiable. The
following predictions are included:
# 1. A creative force permeates the entire volume of the
universe as a primary property, which was present at its
origin and has manifested itself every step of the way
influencing its evolutionary development. Evidence of its
existence will be presented in another section. See
"Creative Force".
#2. There is one basic substance, which permeates the entire
volume of the universe that began as a homogenous
completely undifferentiated entity devoid of information but
with emergent properties that we can now recognize as
matter-energy, space-time and intelligence-consciousness.
Our entire reality can be reduced to these elements.
#3. Consciousness-intelligence is an emergent primary
property of the universe that was present at the big bang and
is not a secondary epiphenomenon as suggested by many
current researchers.
#4. The manifestation of intelligence-consciousness as it
relates to our physical reality has been evolving within
increasingly complex systems at a continuously accelerated
rate, perhaps exponentially. There is much scientifically
compiled data to support this concept. Even now relative to
human discovery we observe information accumulation
with a persistent doubling rate of every seven to ten years.
Both complex physical systems that contain information
and living systems with inherent intelligence follow the
same type of evolutionary accelerated time curve. All
systems whether living or not follow an evolutionary
pathway from simple to complex that would appear to be
exponential.
#5. Every interaction that occurs on a subatomic, atomic,
microscopic or macroscopic level is interrelated with both
cause and effect. Not only does this concept apply from
moment to moment but extends back to the origin of the
universe. The current universe as we observe it should be
seen to represent a sum total of every type and all
interactions which have occurred since the big bang. Every
atomic energy interchange involving photons and particles
affects every other interchange either directly, if close by, or
indirectly if at a distance. This is analogous to the "butterfly
effect" which states that an insect flapping its wings in
China will ultimately affect the weather in Richfield, Utah
no matter how immeasurable.
#6. There are no solid particles on an atomic or subatomic
level. What we recognize as particles (protons, electrons,
quarks, etc) are simply highly concentrated focal collections
of stabilized energy, which in actuality do not have any
distinct boundaries but dissolve into surrounding space as
an infinite regression. Even these focal energy collections
don't exist independently of space but are actually a
concentrated form of space itself.
#7. Space within the boundaries of our universe is never a
complete vacuum no matter how rarefied. Virtual atomic
particles can appear seemingly out of empty space and exist
momentarily before dissolving and disappearing back into
seemingly empty space. They can do this because they are a
property of space and do not exist independently of it. All
aspects of our physical reality are different manifestations
or forms of one basic universal substance, which permeates
the entire volume of the universe.
#8. No two points in space, including atomic particles are
exactly alike. They can be so similar or nearly alike that
their differences are currently immeasurable. All "electrons"
or other apparent particles are not exactly alike even though
they appear to be. This concept holds true of all matter-
energy no matter how large or small of a volume one is
sampling. This will be explained later and has to do with the
holographic recording of information within space and is
also a manifestation of chaos.
#9. Being essential properties of space, intelligence-
consciousness is distributed throughout the entire volume of
the universe just as is matter-energy. Its distribution is
uneven (heterogeneous) being concentrated in some areas
and rarefied in others.
#10. There is a universal memory that permeates all of
space, which all systems contribute to whether living, or
not. The information within this memory is holographically
distributed so that it can be accessed, at least to some
degree, from anywhere. The density of information
distribution is uneven within this hologram. Every event
that occurs imprints a memory within space. If one were to
visualize the form space takes relative to the recording of
memory it would look like the interference pattern of a
photographic plate used to reconstruct a hologram image
except that it would be multidimensional rather than a two
dimensional flat surface. It is also considered probable that
every event, as it is recorded within this interference
pattern, imprints the hologram more intensely at that point
in space where the event occurred. Thus every memory
likely has an epicenter within space, beyond which its
influence drops off the farther the distance from the
epicenter one travels. This holographic memory is
continuously changing over time as new memories are
added to previously recorded ones.
# 11. The expression of intelligence-consciousness within
life forms has occurred exponentially with humans being
the most advanced objects to have evolved to date that we
have yet observed. Humans are still continuing to manifest
increasingly higher levels of intelligence and consciousness
at an exponential rate. This is currently difficult to
recognize because of the relatively short life expectancy
that humans possess. This theory predicts that the
exponential increase in intelligence-consciousness will
continue.
#12. The universe will continue to undergo evolutionary
change leading to systems of increasingly greater
complexity resulting in the structuring of forms richer in
information.
#13. Gravity can be seen from the point of view that it is a
reflection of the sum total interactive accumulation of all
atomic and subatomic events that have ever occurred since
the moment of creation and continue to occur from moment
to moment. The position of each galaxy, star, planet and all
other objects are stationed where they are as the result of the
virtually infinite number of matter-energy interactions
which have occurred since the moment of creation resulting
in warped space. The direction that each object currently
travels through space is a continuation of this totally
interrelated process. This also allows one to picture a
gravitational process that is entirely based upon forces
pushing against each other rather than some nebulous
attraction reaching across space.
#14. All phenomena have both a cause as well as an effect
since all occurring events are interdependent (yin-yang).
# 15. Other conscious life forms exist elsewhere within our
universe that are probably quite numerous and are probably
distributed heterogeneously throughout all galaxies.
Currently there is no scientific evidence to support such a
hypothesis. Over time science will hopefully discover ways
to test the assumptions and postulates. In the meantime the
strength of the theory rests upon the seemingly elegant way
that it all fits together formulating a picture of our existence
that approaches being all inclusive without significant
contradiction, giving an explanation to all aspects of our
experience leaving nothing of substance out. A theory must
achieve all of the above to qualify as a "Theory of
everything".
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şimdi bu kadar yazıdan sonra yazının en önemli kısımlarından birinden alıntı yaparsak gerçeğinizi görmek için formülü görmüş olursunuz veya oluruz , çünkü tüm varlıklar için bu geçerlidir , insan veya ....
Intelligence = (Information + Consciousness)
ZEKÂ veya AKIL = BİLGİ+BİLİNÇ
Information = (Intelligence – Consciousness)
BİLGİ=AKIL -BİLİNÇ
tartışmalar evrensel boyuta taşındığında bu formül içeriği ,KAVRANAMADAN ne BİLGİnin tek başına yeterliliği olacaktır ,ne de ZEKA veya aklınızın .
Bilinç en önemli denklemin parametresidir. Hepinizi bilincinizin içeriğini anlamak için çabaya davet ediyorum. Bu tüm dünya ve insanoğlunun kurtuluşunun temel parametrelerinden biridir. -
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Çok daha kısaltacağım yazdıklarımı. Zira ilim isteyene verilir, bu arkadaşta bu talep yo
Böyük ilim sahibi Ogün:)
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Çürütmedim deyip aynı cümlede çürütme gayreti...
Çürütmedim tabii ki, Tanrı mutlak kabul edildiğinde en az bir durum onun mutlaklığına halel getirmez, ben bunu biliyorum ama görünüşe bakılırsa sen bilmiyorsun, bi de hava basıyorsun millete :) Buradaki amacım senin önkabullerin açısından durumun saçmalığını göstermekti. Bi de Tanrı'nın mutlak olmayışı ile yokluğu arasında zorunlu bi ilişki yoktur, korkma yani mutlak olmayan bi Tanrı'yı da kabul edebilirsin zira O, o haliyle bile var olabilir.:)
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Eeee ? Tanımlanamayan bir şey üzerinden ispat..
Ben söyleyeyim; Zaman; hareket, değişim sebebiyle bizim algımız dahilinde olan bir boyuttur. Algı... Gerçeklik...
Doğru, icma senin ve benim yazdığım şekildedir, yani hareketten zaman algısı oluşur. O kabul bizi Tanrı'nın herhangi bir iradede bulunamayacağını gösterir. Ya Tanrı zamandan münezzeh değildir ya da münezzeh ama iradesiz, dup duru bi şeydir (buna bazı felsefeciler "yok" der). Bu mantıksal sonuçlara karşı bi argüman sunabilirim ama sana değil, hele de Üstad'a bu kadar laf etmişken :)
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Zaman bizim evrenimizde mevcut. Öncesinde (Buna takılmamalı, insan algısı sonsuzluğu kavrayamaz.) zaman diye bir şey yok. Belki şu anda da yok!
Şu an ne, gelecek ne? geçmiş ne?
Bak bunları güzel güzel yazıyorsun. Bi oturup düşünsene be kardeşim:) Zaman bizim evrenimizde mevcutsa evren ötesi veya adına ne dersen de, o bölgede zaman yoksa Tanrı o zamansızlıkta nasıl eylemde bulunabilir? Eylem = hareket demektir. Bi fiil, eylem düşün kafandan; mesela "yaratmak, çizmek, düşmek, ölçmek, üşümek, ısınmak vs". Bu eylemlerin gerçekleşmesi için hareket gereklidir di mi? Sen de bunu kabul ettiğine göre Tanrı irade edeceği anda hareket etmelidir, edince bi süre geçer, zaman oluşur, işte bu nedenledir ki Tanrı zamandan münezzeh olamaz. Bu Kuran'da da geçmez zaten. Paulusçulardan etkilenen İslam alimlerinin uydurmasıdır. Allah zamanda ve mekandadır. O her daim "an"dadır, kuşatıcıdır:)
Mikrofonu vezir kardeşimize devredelim..
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Arkadaşlar boşuna tartışmayalım din, bilimi , bilimin argümanlarıyla yenemez,konumuza dönelim. 
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ZEKÂ veya AKIL = BİLGİ+BİLİNÇ
Information = (Intelligence – Bilinç)
BİLGİ=AKIL -BİLİNÇ
tartışmalar evrensel boyuta taşındığında bu formül içeriği ,KAVRANAMADAN ne BİLGİnin tek başına yeterliliği olacaktır ,ne de ZEKA veya aklınızın .
Vezir hocam,
Information veya bilgi derken neyi kastettiğiniz önemlidir bence. Çünkü bizim dilimizde bilgi, aynen bilgi diye geçmekteyken ingilizcede knowledge ve information diye geçer. Bilimsel kaynaklarda Information ve knowledge aynı anlamda veya birbirinin yerine kullanılmaz. Information cebri olarak zihin gerektirmez, mol sayısı, bitlerle ifade edilen datalar vesaire birer niceliksel information'dur. Knowledge ise insan zihniyle ilgili bilgi türüdür ve öznesiz düşünülemez.
Formül de ilginçmiş bu arada..
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Orijinalden alıntı: Clausewitz
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ZEKÂ veya AKIL = BİLGİ+BİLİNÇ
Information = (Intelligence – Bilinç)
BİLGİ=AKIL -BİLİNÇ
tartışmalar evrensel boyuta taşındığında bu formül içeriği ,KAVRANAMADAN ne BİLGİnin tek başına yeterliliği olacaktır ,ne de ZEKA veya aklınızın .
Vezir hocam,
Information veya bilgi derken neyi kastettiğiniz önemlidir bence. Çünkü bizim dilimizde bilgi, aynen bilgi diye geçmekteyken ingilizcede knowledge ve information diye geçer. Bilimsel kaynaklarda Information ve knowledge aynı anlamda veya birbirinin yerine kullanılmaz. Information cebri olarak zihin gerektirmez, mol sayısı, bitlerle ifade edilen datalar vesaire birer niceliksel information'dur. Knowledge ise insan zihniyle ilgili bilgi türüdür ve öznesiz düşünülemez.
Formül de ilginçmiş bu arada..
konu çok çok uzun ve derin alıntılar yaparak özütünü aktarmaya çalışırken özellikle çeviri yapmamaya gayret ediyorum hatalı aktarabilirim korkusu ,zaten beni ufak notlar yazarken bile tedirgin etmekte.Sizin ingilizce metinlerden anlayacaklarınız dışında benim yorum eklemem de bu kitap veya teoriyi revizyon etmem olacağını düşündüğüm için siz sorun ben kitaptan yanıtları aktarayım. en doğrusu bu olacaktır.
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Memory, which reflects the storage of information, is not stored in the
hard wiring of the brain, as many mind-brain researchers would have us
believe. Certain areas of the brain have been determined to be more
important in the processing of memory than others, however it is very
naive to conclude that memory storage occurs anywhere specifically
within the brain substance. Those researchers who continue to pursue
this concept are doomed to a lifetime of failure. The Ultimate Theory of
Everything predicts that memory is imprinted in space-time
holographically which allows access to it independent of location within
space or time.
This can be thought of as the warping of space similar to what Einstein
described relative to the way that gravity governs the direction of
celestial bodies, however the image should be visualized as more of a
micro-warping. The fluctuations in texture of this warped space would
likely be many times smaller than the diameter of the smallest atomic
particles. If one were able to visualize the appearance of micro-warped
space containing memory it would probably look very much like the
interference pattern recorded on a holographic plate except that it would
be at least four dimensional and constantly changing form. Atomic
particles are held in position appearing to comprise solid objects by this
micro warped space. The micro warped space in actuality is comprised
of energy-matter finely and heterogeneously dissolving into the very
fabric of space without any demarcating boundaries. There are no
particles as such in existence that can be divided into smaller particles.
Quarks and electrons are not solid structures but only highly
concentrated focused energy. At the present time there is no way to
evaluate space at the level of this micro warping. Thus this is a concept
which will be difficult to explore experimentally through science. The
relatively recent invention of superstring theory is approaching this level
where memory storage occurs. Nevertheless there are many reasons to
believe that the holographic storage of memory is an accurate
perception. It allows explanation for virtually all mental events.
There is one property of holography that makes the concept so appealing
relative to applying it to memory and mental events. If the holographic
plate, which stores the information used to reconstruct a three
dimensional image, is broken into many small pieces then the total
image can still be reproduced from any of the fragments. The resolution
of the image will be less distinct (fuzzy) but it will otherwise be the
same as if the entire holographic plate was used in the reconstruction.
Memory storage in space- time would appear to behave in similar
fashion. No matter what fractional volume of space that one is accessing
the information is stored there. The larger volume of space that one is
capable of sampling the more clear is the image. Thus, the larger the
brain and the more intricate the wiring, the more complete is any
thought.
The holographic technique has been described in many articles and
books so won't be dealt with in detail. For those who have a desire to
gain a greater depth of understanding, I would strongly recommend
"The Holographic. Universe" by Michael Talbot. Much of the discussion
that follows is covered in greater depth in that text. It should be
comprehensible to most readers.
A hologram can be produced when a single laser light beam is divided
into two separate beams. The first beam is reflected off the object being
photographed and the second beam is then allowed to collide with the
reflected light beam of the first resulting in an interference pattern that is
recorded on film. The encoded image has a very chaotic non-descript
appearance that can resemble the surface of the moon with multiple
crater sites. The image has no resemblance to the object that it will be
used to recreate. Again it is important to emphasize that if the
photographic plate is broken into many fragments each can still be used
by itself to recreate the entire three-dimensional object no matter how
small the fragment being used.
The brain functions as if it was accessing a holographic plate with
encoded images. This has been well established in both lower animals
and humans. Karl Lashley surgically removed various portions of rat
brains and submitted them to experimental testing both before and after.
He determined that no matter what portions of their brains he removed
he could not erase their memories. Their motor skills were often
impaired but even with large portions of their brains removed, they
could still find their way through a maze.
Paul Pietsch performed similar experiments on salamanders. In a series
of 700 operations he performed multiple different types of surgical
extractions of brain tissue including flipping, subtraction, and even
mincing, but always when he replaced what was left of their brains their
behavior returned to normal. Humans following removal of sections of
their temporal lobes, which supposedly is very important to memory
function, may also retain normal function.
Other examples could be presented illustrating the holographic operation
of brain function. There are an increasing number of mind-brain
researchers who accept this concept but at present remain in the
minority. Virtually all mental events can be explained by the
holographic model. It would seem that the actual storage of information
occurs more within the space-time arena than the matter-energy (hardwiring)
portion.
Carl Jung became convinced that a collective unconsciousness exists
that all humans contribute to and can access. He concluded that dreams,
hallucinations, myths, and religious visions derived from this collective
unconsciousness. If such an unconsciousness exists, and I believe that it
does, its memory would be holographically recorded in space-time.
Mystics and other individuals who have reported experiencing
omniscient cosmic oneness with the universe, where there is a total loss
of ones individual boundary along with the sense of unity with all life as
well as the perception that one is in complete total unity with the entire
universe, are likely tapping into a larger volume of the space-time
hologram.
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entropy kavramı ve information arasındaki ilişki ve çıkarımlar (yukarıda tartışmalarda geçmiş idi ) cevapları aşağıdadır,
Non-Linear Evolution of Intelligence Dependence Upon Entropy
(2) The non-linear evolution of intelligence toward increasingly
complex states has a direct mathematical relationship to and
interdependence with the entropic process of matter-energy. This
applies when viewed as a universe-wide phenomenon. It does not apply
when viewing each separate open system contained within the universe,
with the latter representing an inverse or reciprocal relationship.
The law of entropy, although originally restricted to thermodynamics
only, has been more widely applied so that it is now regarded as the
most general regulator of natural activity known to science. (Ref. 4.1) As
stated by A.S. Eddington, "The law that entropy always increases--the
second law of thermodynamics--holds, I think, the supreme position
among the laws of nature. If someone points out to you that your pet
theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations--then
so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be
contradicted by observation--well, these experimentalists do bungle
things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second
law of thermodynamics, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it
but to collapse in deepest humiliation". (Ref. 4.2) Therefore, the
construction of a theory of intelligence around the process of entropy
would seem to be a valid place to begin, even though some difficulties
do arise.
The understanding of the law of entropy no longer seems to be nearly as
clear-cut as Eddington suggested. There are apparent contradictions and
paradoxes that result from our incomplete understanding of the
definition of entropy. The correlation of existing concepts is tenuous,
and in all probability will require modification in time.
At the moment of creation, which is currently considered to best be
modeled by the "big bang," entropy was supposedly at its minimum. It
has been increasing ever since and should continue to do so hereafter.
One contradiction arises when it is assumed that entropy decreases
within a system any time information increases. This doesn't represent a
problem so long as the system is a local open system, since it is known
that even though the local system is decreasing in entropy, it is at the
expense of an overall increase in entropy within the surrounding
environment.
So where is the contradiction? Well, even though in all open local
systems there is a decrease in entropy when there is an increase in
information, the opposite would seem to hold true when viewing the
universe as a whole. On a universal level there would appear to be
increasing entropy at the same time that there is increasing information.
This would seem possible if we make the assumption that neither energy
nor information can be created or destroyed. What we are witnessing on
a universal level is a redistribution of both, with information
concentrating or focusing into all local systems as energy is being
continuously dissipated or distributed into an ever-expanding space.
It would seem possible to eliminate the information-entropy paradox, as
well as others not stated above, if we make the following assumptions:
(1) Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. This holds true
throughout the entire evolutionary history of the universe,
although its spatial distribution and form is continuously
changing. It can exist as heat, light, work, electricity, chemical
processes and mass.
(2) Intelligence can neither be created nor destroyed, and its
overall quantity remains constant throughout the universe even
though its spatial concentration is continuously changing over
time as it discovers innovative ways to relate to matter and
energy.
(3) The terms information and intelligence, though not
synonymous, can be used interchangeably in any mathematical
equation.*...The mathematical relationship of information to
entropy is essentially the same as that of intelligence to entropy.
An increase in information parallels any increase in intelligence.
(4) Heat entropy represents the dissipation of energy that
becomes lost in space and is no longer available for useful work.
*The similarities and differences between information and
intelligence will be discussed later in this chapter.
As the universe has undergone an evolutionary process, the distribution
of intelligence and consciousness has been continuously changing. It
had a reasonably homogeneous distribution in the very early universe, as
did energy. However, as matter-energy began to congregate into
separate foci, so did information, intelligence and consciousness. For
energy to be able to precipitate out into matter and complex structures,
its dissipation into expanding space was required. The apportionment of
energy and intelligence was essentially uniform at the moment of
creation, and soon thereafter began to become increasingly
heterogeneous in its distribution. As matter-energy concentrated into
more complex, sophisticated structures, so did intelligence and
consciousness. Not only did intelligence concentrate into the same
spatial forms as matter-energy, but in all probability directed its
distribution. Intelligence is distributed throughout the entire universe,
but is concentrated into specific areas and is rarified in others, just like
matter-energy.
Assuming that energy and intelligence (consciousness) can neither be
created nor destroyed, then what we are witnessing through the
evolutionary process is a continual redistribution of both throughout
space-time. At the moment of creation all energy was potentially
available to perform useful work. As the universe has evolved, much of
that energy has been dissipated and lost as far as being available to
perform work. In this sense the universe is therefore moving from a state
of low entropy to one of high entropy. As the universe unfolds it
continues to produce an increasingly greater number of complex
systems. Intelligence (consciousness) then continues to concentrate into
those systems. The amount of energy and intelligence throughout the
universe remains unaltered, but their distribution is continuously
changing.
As the average level of energy per unit volume of space within the
universe has been dropping, because space is expanding into a larger
volume, intelligence has become more effective in controlling its
movement. The following metaphor might help understand this concept.
My intelligent mind is incapable of redirecting the flight of a highenergy
bullet coming toward me. However, it would be able to deflect a
lower-energy baseball, thus avoiding injury. The greater the momentum
of any object in motion, the less effective intelligence is in altering its
direction of travel. In the early universe when the energy density
(average energy level per unit volume of space) was very much higher
than now, it was not possible for intelligence to manipulate and
distribute matter with the same degree of effectiveness as at the present
time. Just as energy throughout the universe is not altered in total
quantity, but may lose quality, intelligence does not alter in quantity, but
is continuously increasing in quality as it relates to material structures
and its ability to direct work.
Following World War II, the concept of entropy underwent a
transformation of understanding when it was linked to information
theory. The classical view of entropy implied that chaos and confusion
were the rule, and that chaos was the ultimate destiny of all things. This
concept has since been modified. The relationship is still incompletely
understood and is still being questioned. This therefore makes any
discussion of entropy as to how it relates to information and intelligence
very difficult. The concepts dealt with in this chapter might be expected
to change somewhat as our understanding improves. What is presented
might at best turn out to be an approximation of the reality.
Until there is a better understanding of entropy, it might be helpful to
divide its meaning into the following:
Heat entropy can be defined as a thermodynamic measure of the
amount of energy unavailable for useful work in a system
undergoing change. It was at a minimum at the origin of our
universe relative to the amount of energy potentially available
for the performance of useful work. It continues to increase on a
universal scale.
Information entropy can be defined as the measure of the degree
of disorder in a substance or system undergoing change. It
measures the capacity to convey meaning, and was at a
maximum at the origin of our universe relative to the state of
disorder present. It continues to decrease on a universal scale. In
information theory, entropy is a measure of the information
content of a message evaluated with respect to its uncertainty.
(Ref. 4.3)
Open systems, which apply to every object within the universe, have
both a decreased heat and information entropy locally during their entire
lifespan or period of existence. The universe when observed as a whole
would appear to be undergoing increasing heat entropy, but decreasing
information entropy.
Organic systems create order out of chaos and are negatively entropic
(both heat and information), with a net gain of information, until death.
According to Lila Gatlin, when applied to living organisms entropy
measures the randomness of a system. Higher entropy implies a random,
disorganized, disordered system with equiprobable, independent events
and has potential for acquiring and storing information.
Lower entropy implies a non-random, organized, ordered system with a divergence
from equiprobable, independent events, and with stored information. (Ref.
4.4) Her definition best describes information entropy.
When an organism reproduces, it extracts free energy from its
surrounding environment and creates a new subsystem with a high
degree of statistical order or information content, locally decreasing the
entropy at the expense of a heat entropy increase in its environment.
According to Rudolf Clausius, who established the first and second laws
of thermodynamics, the energy of the universe is a constant, and the
entropy of the universe tends toward a maximum. (Ref. 4.5) The universe
was initially in a highly energized uniform state, essentially void of
information, and has since become extremely complex with an
enormous amount of stored information, thus reflecting a lower
information entropy but at the same time a higher heat entropy.
The second law of thermodynamics, as interpreted by some, dictates that
the universe is moving irreversibly toward increasing decay and
disorder. Heat results in increased molecular motion, and as moving
molecules collide with each other they are knocked out of their expected
course into random paths. As molecular collisions continue, there is an
increased randomness, moving the universe toward chaos. It has been
postulated that this will eventually result in heat death of the universe,
with the production of a tepid, homogenous soup of random atoms and
molecules. (Ref. 4.6) If the law of entropy was the only force acting upon
matter within the universe, then this outcome would seem to follow.
The heat death hypothesis, however, does not fit well with more current
thinking, since the universe seems to be gaining in information and
complexity. Entropy is occurring as originally conceived from the
standpoint that isotopes are disintegrating and objects are giving up heat
and energy; however, rather than systems becoming more random as
they approach equilibrium, they are moving toward a state of higher
complexity. The universe began in a state of high equilibrium and total
chaos and is becoming increasingly more organized. I perceive a
universe, as do many others, that is continually becoming more
materially and physically complex. It is relying heavily on the entropic
process to allow this to occur.
With the expansion of space, there is more room for energy to
entropically dissipate, thus allowing matter to continuously congeal into
more complex forms. Material forms are also continuously breaking
down through the entropic process, but in time they once again
reorganize into more highly complex physical structures. Through the
evolutionary process, macroscopic structures undergo entropy with the
breakdown of macroscopic information into microscopic information.
The breakdown products, as they are reorganized into more highly
organized complex forms, result in a continual net gain of useful
information within each separate isolated open system.
Even though stars, as well as our earth, are involved in the heat entropic
process, they are also concurrently gaining in information. As stars
convert hydrogen to helium and then into heavier elements, a great deal
of energy is being released so that heat entropy is occurring; however,
each star is nevertheless gaining in information at the same time. The
earth likewise is undergoing heat entropy as its central core gradually
cools, and as rocks fragment and isotopes decay; however, it is also
gaining in information. The earth today is a much more ordered system,
richer in information, than when compared to the time of its origin. The
earth during its entire evolutionary process has continuously gained in
information. The universe as a whole, although it is undergoing heat
entropy as energy is being dissipated, is also continually gaining in
information.
Not only do lifeforms and stellar systems exist as open systems, so do
cultures and social arrangements. Although they all dissipate energy and
are undergoing entropy, they also are becoming increasingly complex,
and increase their stored information with time. (Ref. 4.7)
The second law implies that disorder can never spontaneously give rise
to order, and it forbids entropy of a complete closed system from falling.
(Ref. 4.8) Assuming this statement is true, as most scientists have come to
believe, then there must be some opposing syntropic force. Prigogine
believes entropy to be the catalyst of syntropy or increasing order and
complexity. (Ref. 4.9) His theory of dissipative structures suggests that
open systems, which include all lifeforms, are perturbed by energy
fluctuations as a result of their interaction with the surrounding
environment. These perturbations over time cause these systems to
undergo entropy and fall apart. The chaos or disorder that results allows
new interactions and recombinations, so that a system can fall together
again at a higher level of order. Thus open systems continually evolve to
a higher order of complexity. (Ref. 4.10)
The term syntropy has been coined to imply a process opposite to that of
entropy. Buckminster Fuller has been quoted to define syntropy in the
following manner: "The history of man seems to demonstrate the
emergence of his progressively conscious participation in theretofore
spontaneous universal evolution.... My continuing philosophy is
predicated...on the assumption that in dynamic counterbalance to the
expanding universe of entropically increasing random disorderliness
there must be a universal pattern of omnicontracting, convergent,
progressive orderliness and that man is the anti-entropic reordering
function....". (Ref. 4.11)
Szent-Gyorgyi has also stated the following about the syntropic process,
which is the process by which the universe reconstitutes itself: "But
there is mounting evidence for the existence of the opposite principle:
Syntropy--or `negative entropy'--through the influence of which forms
tend to reach higher and higher levels of organization, order and
dynamic harmony". (Ref. 4.12) Living matter has an inherent drive to
perfect itself.
Ouspensky, interpreting Gurdjieff's works, has described the
relationship of involution (entropy) and evolution (syntropy) as
transformational processes. Both together comprise the "reciprocal
maintenance of the universe". (Ref. 4.13)
I believe that this anti-entropic or syntropic process represents a
property of intelligence and is under its control. Even though the
universe as a whole is gaining in heat entropy, virtually all subsystems
are swimming upstream against this tendency and are becoming more
complex and richer in information. It may ultimately be decided that
entropy is also under the control of intelligence. Intelligence might
arbitrarily be divided into entropic and syntropic systems.
< Bu mesaj bu kişi tarafından değiştirildi vezir -- 30 Ocak 2013; 9:37:24 >
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